From lurker-index@localhost Fri Sep 23 18:08:48 2016 Return-Path: Received: from lin16.mojsite.com (178.218.164.164:993) by g0n.xdwgrp with IMAP4-SSL; 23 Sep 2016 16:08:48 -0000 Envelope-to: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr Delivery-date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:57:30 +0200 Received: from shtjevan.gbnet.net ([194.70.142.36]:54224 helo=gbnet.net) by lin16.mojsite.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bnSqr-0004nX-HS for miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:57:25 +0200 Received: (qmail 16428 invoked by uid 611); 23 Sep 2016 15:54:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16408 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2016 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from mail-1.fido.net (84.246.192.5) by shtjevan.gbnet.net with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted); 23 Sep 2016 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from smtp7.plusvps.com ([89.201.164.170]) by mail-1.fido.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bnSmu-0005BT-B6 for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:53:22 +0100 Received: from lin16.mojsite.com ([178.218.164.164]) by smtp7.plusvps.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bnSms-0005Kp-0O for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:53:18 +0200 Received: from 78-0-197-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.0.197.250]:58992 helo=g0n.localdomain) by lin16.mojsite.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bnSmr-0003cI-Af for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:53:17 +0200 Received: by g0n.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 29C3343; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:53:34 +0200 From: Miroslav Rovis To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: how to verify emails from web Message-ID: <20160923155334.GC9244@g0n.xdwgrp> References: <20160923133234.GA9244@g0n.xdwgrp> <20160923143904.GB9244@g0n.xdwgrp> <20160923145843.vggllbhn6ju3eh4b@darac.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LTeJQqWS0MN7I/qa" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160923145843.vggllbhn6ju3eh4b@darac.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.0 (2016-08-17) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details, Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: , not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-5.549, required 5, BAYES_00 -5.00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.00, KAM_INFOUSMEBIZ 0.75, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY 1.00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED -2.30) X-Spam-Status: No, No, No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lin16.mojsite.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mutt.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - croatiafidelis.hr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: lin16.mojsite.com: authenticated_id: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Authenticated-Sender: lin16.mojsite.com: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Filter-ID: s0sct1PQhAABKnZB5plbIR2SJy4mPedjCjbCVmstzVxwmVN+qmOsqPA4awzKV+nfEy9+6i+HVSod DWEH1Oag5P0gpBbsmKo2xFYd4cLbfj1iLS35izL9ptKuULkIwwsu0z6bhalFEM/pjPCQA+BAllJw ro3yTLtJuU6ExAwG+yzjzOoDJqiQN2i0euud5jjnzR7/PvNhTcyl6iDYCke1YXaw5n8pTak9heOZ JsYB49vlEvRqTdg+zmT/ECalNFi2XPWlFdaGOH191uXjgjQN/W4jTw0cILd7o5RN+VfVmaiWIfx7 2XfVKFoIpfctRbVK4t4d8JgCR4QeUw1lZy7PBRaZrTLjuequwc50jekroBTDqcigOvSxdRnthmhn 8Zn6pjBcJbbIhN3IdQS/6GN7G+KIStnwG6agArbBJGis+KOQAEErZ6BfD4/W227/VzHg+l5ZnOoq S85+o/HqXSJ34L1TzOfBFM7Er/7n1KQSkHuxOWnp1UaerA3HM1DGPLa9aseSo+eTNO7G/rUMG+AW yn7GSOGo5AhqxuJQMN+Ull1jlvMIu+sRZOzqnbOGnKMP X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@master.fido.net X-FidoGuard-Class: ham X-FidoGuard-Evidence: Combined (0.08) X-Recommended-Action: accept List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@mutt.org, body only "unsubscribe mutt-users" Precedence: bulk Sender: owner-mutt-users@mutt.org X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1bnSqr-0004nX-HS X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-From: owner-mutt-users-m24794@mutt.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: =?utf-8?q?INBOX?= --LTeJQqWS0MN7I/qa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [[ This is expansion on the digression, but I'm not changing the title, so that this thread remains the same one thread and not be split by whatever runs the marc.info servers. ]] Thanks, Darac! This tells a lot! Allow me more time to study your very kind explanation! (I also first have to make a correction/addition for the real topic of this thread that I started.)=20 On 160923-15:58+0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 04:39:04PM +0200, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >Sure I forgot the... [see below] > > > >On 160923-15:32+0200, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > >> http://marc.info/?l=3Dmutt-users&m=3D147448664132307&w=3D2 > >> but for clarity I'll attach the same file here as ClausAssmann.tar > > > >ClausAssmann.tar attached to this email. > > > >--- > >A digression, don't read below if you don't have the time to. > > > >However, I'm curious, if at all this is possible (time on an eventual > >reader who would respond) to know why I got my own mail back (to be able > >to send this errata) only after some 55 minutes. >=20 > Check the Received: headers in your message to see what took so long. =20 > Here are the headers as I got them, with some extraneous lines removed: >=20 > Delivered-To: mailinglist@darac.org.uk > Received: from remy.darac.org.uk > by remy.darac.org.uk (Dovecot) with LMTP id ENyWHX875VcGIAAAjhN3oQ > for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:26:07 +0100 > Received: from gbnet.net (shtjevan.gbnet.net [194.70.142.36]) > by remy.darac.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3sgbHy6ZZKz1DnNg > for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:25:50 +0100 (BST) > Received: (qmail 1887 invoked by uid 611); 23 Sep 2016 14:21:43 -0000 > Received: (qmail 1792 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2016 14:20:37 -0000 > Received: from davin.gbnet.net (194.70.142.37) > by shtjevan.gbnet.net with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted); 23 Se= p 2016 14:20:37 -0000 > Received: (qmail 22684 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2016 14:02:36 -0000 > Received: from mail-1.fido.net (84.246.192.5) > by davin.gbnet.net with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted); 23 Sep 2= 016 14:02:36 -0000 > Received: from alt1.smtp6.plusvps.com ([89.201.164.169]) > by mail-1.fido.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) > for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:02:35 +0100 > Received: from lin16.mojsite.com ([178.218.164.164]) > by smtp6.plusvps.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) > for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:02:22 +0200 > Received: from 78-0-197-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.0.197.250]:58204 helo= =3Dg0n.localdomain) > by lin16.mojsite.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) > for mutt-users@mutt.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:32:18 +0200 > Received: by g0n.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) > id F373B43; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:32:34 +0200 (CEST) > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:32:34 +0200 >=20 > The Received: headers are prepended to the list, so we read it=20 > Twitter-style (i.e. bottom to top). You composed the message at 15:32. = =20 > Very quickly it passed to lin15.mojsite.com. However, it then waited=20 > there until 16:02 before being passed to smtp6.plusvps.com. The next=20 > major delay is within gbnet.net. davin.gbnet.net receives the message at= =20 > 14:02 (16:02 your time), but only passes it to shtjevan.gbnet.net at=20 > 14:20 (16:20 your time). The final delay comes when gbnet.net is=20 > delivering the message to my server, and for that, we can assume this is= =20 > the time taken for the mailing list software to send the message to=20 > multiple recipients. >=20 > > > >Repeating: 55 minutes it took me (tried multiple times, as I realized > >pretty quickly that I forgot the attachment, and tried right away to get > >my own mail from mutt-users and send this attachment. > > > >How fast was in the case of this previous email of mine the Marc.info > >archive, and was it due to it being slow or was it due to my provider, > >whom I have beef with, decided to molest me again > >(see http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/ for a little on > >that) > >? > > > >I also checked the pages: > >http://marc.info/?l=3Dmutt-users&r=3D1&b=3D201609&w=3D2 > >and that previous email of mine really didn't show for about the same 55 > >minutes, which I know perfectly can be because of the same page being > >kept in cache at the providers and not being renewed. > > > >Thanks if anybody replies. (Pls. don't count for certain that I would > >receive your private email, they often just don't send those if they > >know I wouldn't be able to know about them and/or wouldn't be able to pr= oof > >anything.) > >--=20 > >Miroslav Rovis > >Zagreb, Croatia > >http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > For more information, please reread. --=20 Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr --LTeJQqWS0MN7I/qa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX5U/9AAoJEOqYhIhPuvCuuRMP/1bXAC3kCm4j8Co8+YD9h1fn JdqnJnWT9dL260tA4GVwZuZUKhOjoPR+a5qEAtHkZkZIEtTT7iNv6f+nWxa8YWRo +FkRK9h1P7yFngsaK1AtRYFAd63P/45BZtJPqWl7ThsGF9Fz2/+vqqZTq9wRwydA 315BmsnZMIc+GDDsi6MM5AmIvWXyPpTHZaMSJpZE69OgzZtn0/dQmUknVHog7mGn r7EpOogDpe0clUyaf7mE74ztnoiuZiuHh3hnuOjUu5eyBA1HlbyeeawwGgRNoGeC ZYK2NlUVpmEU+gWyjOQeX+cPP7j8NlUTsqWK5wFjQDH2O2kNqWspQLU7dLuHl7ov SAGpBtoxxLAe1t526cgERnmu+0H4gFazSzkoBaptbS9Xrfa3TyL1GnQTCvHziovx sBhAy/udtBBq9OG28piLMWjD9RyC7rnCz3gtODwXf40W9kpWWNgUpcLKDCV7E4ul uozEFsOH8HIrSZ6JBc3OFbhj7Zud8GdltIXlp4x532FYnlA4hxA4R8YgAoCdfM6D pLi3WFUHf9rwT3/faC5wTevaQklxU8y+mYjpqojj5w+0M0rmkgtRxTJ0KeReampV pNJEQoNLXbEKuuonKHTUtvDUlBXEcXoNABatoI/3wWdsX+xWuYyq7PhN6sBe4Ndf hGt19FUK4QIJQFIbiA8d =QM0R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LTeJQqWS0MN7I/qa--